LEAG Conference, part 2
November 26, 2009
While the LEAG meeting in Houston last week featured lots of exciting new results from LCROSS and LRO, it also provided an opportunity for discussion about the future of lunar exploration, human spaceflight, and NASA. The main theme of the meeting was sustainability: If and when humans return to the moon, how do they do so in a sustainable way?
One point that everyone (as far as I could tell) agreed on is that the Apollo model is not sustainable. By “the Apollo model” I mean what the lunar scientists like to call “sorties.” You build an enormous rocket, you take everything you need with you, you leave all of your junk there and you never use it again.
An alternative approach would be incremental or cumulative. You would probably start with several robotic precursor missions that would establish where your key resources are, and perform technology demos. Can we extract oxygen from lunar rocks? Can we extract water from lunar soils? Can we control lunar dust so that it doesn’t get into everything and cause all of our machines to break down? Can we safeguard astronauts from radiation?
If we find satisfactory answers to these questions, then we can build a base on the moon, although another possibility would be a base at the L1 point (or Lagrange point) where Earth’s gravity and the moon’s gravity cancel each other out. The things that you need to bring from Earth are brought a little bit at a time, somewhat like the way that we built the International Space Station. You don’t just go there, use your stuff once, and leave it. You need to re-use as much as you can. And finally, if there is anything that you can produce onsite, you do it. That primarily means (at this stage of the discussion) water, atmosphere, food, and propellant.
What I’ve just said may seem obvious, but it was surprisingly non-obvious for a very long time. Those of us who lived through the Apollo era were very surprised when the trips to the moon stopped. A lot has been written about the possible reasons: the public’s apathy, the Cold War politics that went into the moon race, the Vietnam War that sapped the American budget, etc. But maybe it had to happen. The whole approach was unsustainable.
Even now, many people still want to reproduce the Apollo model as we prepare for missions to Mars. This was the chief criticism that I heard of the Augustine Commission report. The “Flexible Path” option, many people felt, was just “Apollo on steroids,” traveling to more places with one-shot missions instead of building up the infrastructure for a sustainable presence in space.
I suppose I should name some names here. Paul Spudis is an especially passionate advocate of the idea that we must think about sustainability when we return to space. I wish I could just copy his whole presentation here, but that would not be very original. He said, “The goal is not to excite the public. The public must see the value in lunar exploration, which is different from making it exciting.” He took issue with the Augustine Commission’s conclusion that the ultimate destination (their words) is Mars. “The goal of returning to the moon is to become a spacefaring species,” he said. I think this is a great mission statement. Mars is not the ultimate goal; the ultimate is to be able to go wherever we want. Spudis would build up that capability on the moon.
Also, Igor Mitrofanov gave a perspective from the Russian space agency: “We will support missions to the moon if we will go there forever. Then we will participate as a nation.” He compared the moon to a new continent: “The first explorers looked for a place for a settlement, a bay, a harbor,” he said. Obviously he is arguing for a base approach rather than a sortie approach.
Many participants in the meeting said that sustainability would have to mean economic viability. Paul Spudis, as usual, formulated the question nicely, by listing three stages of lunar exploration: Arrive, Survive, Thrive. So far we have shown that we can Arrive. The next step is Survival — showing that we can stay for a long time on the moon — but ultimately the point of the whole exercise is to Thrive.
Both Spudis and Bob Wegeng, of the Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, drew analogies with the development of railroads in the 19th century. I went to lunch with Wegeng, who exposited at length about the railroads and told me some things that I did not know before. In school (in the U.S., at least), we all hear about the golden spike that completed the first transcontinental railroad in 1869. It’s part of our national mythology, just as much as the moon landing 100 years later. But that railroad went bankrupt several times, in spite of all of its government support!
The first economically successful transcontinental railroad, according to Wegeng, was the Great Northern Railway, built by James Jerome Hill. Wikipedia says it was ”the first transcontinental built without public money and … one of the few transcontinental railroads not to go bankrupt.” Hill built up the Great Northern’s customer base by selling homesteads to farmers along the railroad route and even building industrial plants that would be served by his railroad.
If we want to learn from this example, it suggests that we will Thrive on the moon when a mega-corporation comes along, led by one person with vision, which does not just focus on the transportation technology but constructs a whole econosphere on the moon.
Who could that mega-corporation be? Not the current aerospace companies; they are too much like the government-backed railroads that failed. What about Google? I don’t know. It seems a little bit outside of their skill set, but they do have the vision. All things considered, the vision is probably more important than the skills or the capital, which can always be acquired on the way.
Anyway, getting back to the LEAG meeting, the one presentation that really looked at the moon from an economic point of view was by Brad Blair, a mining engineer who also works with the Canadian Space Agency. His paper was actually out of date — he presented an economic analysis of investing in the moon that he published back in 2002 or 2003. He analyzed five different scenarios, and in the last, ridiculously optimistic scenario he showed a possible return on investment in the range of $3 to $4 billion. I think the importance of his study lies not so much in the specific numbers or conclusions but in the methodology. I think his work needs to be updated for the decade of the 2010s. The discussion of lunar exploration has been completely dominated so far by scientists and engineers, but at some point some economists need to get involved.
Finally, in the discussion of sustainability, there were some interesting points made about public opinion. Spudis calls it the “50-50-50 problem”: public support for NASA has hovered around 50 percent for and 50 percent against for 50 years. And that includes the supposed heyday of NASA when we were racing to beat the Russians to the moon. Even back then, there were a lot of people who didn’t see the point, and argued that the money would be better spent solving problems on Earth. Public support for NASA has never been significantly more than 60 percent or less than 40 percent.
Spudis’ point was that if our justification for exploring space is “inspiring the public,” then we will never succeed. We need to go beyond inspiration to providing economic value.
At the same time, someone (I’m not sure who) pointed out from the audience that 50 percent support is not really a bad thing. Politicians are glad to have 50 percent, because it means they can be re-elected. Popular support for a lot of our public institutions runs a good deal lower than 50 percent. So instead of asking what NASA is doing wrong, perhaps we should advertise the fact that they are doing something right. Message to politicians: If you invest money in NASA, about half of the population will support you, as they have now for half a century.
The big unknown, at this moment, is whether any politicians are listening … especially the ones that matter, who live at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Tags: Apollo, Augustine Commission, base, Economy, James Jerome Hill, LEAG, Paul Spudis, Politics, railroads, resources, sustainability
November 26th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
First off, thanks for the summaries!
The good news is that the discussion turned to true sustainability – which means economic sustainability. The bad news is that they seemed to conclude that they’ve got to wait for one single sugar daddy to somehow pay for a private, economically-sustainable equivalent to Apollo. And that is equally wrong.
The railroad succeeded because it had a wide variety of customers. And they picked up more customers for each mile they went – earning money long before it was complete. It’s not the sugar daddy that’s as important as the demonstrated reliability of the technology, and, the known existence of customers – plural.
Talking to space entrepreneurs over the years their most important need is customers; followed by money. Technology is no higher than 4th on the list, with third being non-technical factors related to ITAR/liability/insurance/regulations, etc. etc.
Within the commercial space initiatives effort inside of NASA the proposed emphasis is on: creating industries, each of which by definition has more than one player; helping to create markets (again, plural) by seeding demand with whatever funds can be obtained; real R&D where technology is either truly needed still, or at least, has not been demonstrated yet in a sustainable manner; and partnering with companies (again, plural) in a way that requires them to have true skin in the game and doesn’t cover all of their costs.
The intent is to focus on those handful of items that are real game-changers, that really make a difference, and then ollowing the above type of paradigm. These would include:
- focusing on commercial development of RLVs;
- focusing on dramatically increasing the flight rate and reliability of those RLVs, starting with the new suborbital RLVs.
- expand the markets available, with as many customer classes as possible;
- demonstrate in-space servicing, starting with refueling, in a sustainable manner; which means: probably robotically; storables first; LOX second; cryos like methane and hydrogen, when required.
- support non-technical government initiatives, such as: ITAR reform, launch vouchers, loan guarantees, etc.
After all; it’s kinda hard to pontificate on the moon if we still don’t have sustainable space operations to and from LEO, and sustainable space operations LEO and beyond; now, does it?
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November 27th, 2009 at 2:59 am
Great synopsis, but why, after all the fantastic buildup combined with empirical evidence from the past about unsuccessful government-backed railroad ventures vs. investment from free enterprise- did you fall back on our path to the moon being enabled by NASA begging the politicians for more money. Don’t we just need to sit back, grow our technology, support the up-starts with vision by providing financing (buying their stock) and wait for, the econosphere, as you described it, to open up?
November 27th, 2009 at 4:12 am
Hi Dana,
Good summary of the meeting. The person who mentioned that “50-50″ are actually good polling numbers was Mark Robinson of Arizona State Univ. NASA has never seen those as good numbers; they want everyone to love them. I think that is a quixotic quest — most are at best indifferent to space. As I mentioned, that’s an asset, not a liability.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Dana: It isn’t necessary to go to the Moon to answer the questions you (others?) raised. The answer is yes to all of them. The real questions are why would you go to the Moon to find the answers (you can get the answers in labs on Earth), what would it cost to get the answers, and why spend money to return either robots or humans to the Moon?
Have you read my critique of the NRC report “The Scientific Context for Exploration of the Moon?” The real question is how should the nation/NASA prioritize a limited budget to get the most bang for the buck? And remember the first “A” in NASA when you contemplate the answer. Using limited funds to study the Moon should be of lowest priority, in my opinion, compared to all the other goals and objectives NASA should be pursuing. Cheers
November 30th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Thanks for the great responses, and my apologies for the fact that I was away this weekend and didn’t get to have a chance to approve them (so they would appear on the blog) until now.
In response to Dave, I want to say that my musings about the sugar daddy (possibly) named Google were my own and not voiced by anyone else. I was just trying to extrapolate from Bob Wegeng’s comments and figure out what the analogue of the Great Northern Railroad might be. In principle I agree with all of your “plurals” (plural customers, plural markets, plural companies), but I do think that in real life there tends to be one bellwether that leads the flock.
Don, you’d probably have a great argument with Paul. Maybe you already have. Anyway, I think the opinion of several participants there (e.g., Clive Neal, the chair of LEAG) was that NASA could get a pretty good bang for its buck by pledging to support the emerging markets of, on and for the moon — thereby allowing companies to gain a toehold. This is also what James (#2 commenter above) seems to be saying.
The end of my post reflects a reality that, even if we should be making plans for a new paradigm, nevertheless there is a big shoe that needs to drop before we can really evaluate where we are right now. If Obama and Congress really do cough up the $3 billion that the Augustine Commission recommended, that would (optimistically) buy more time for a smooth transition to the new paradigm. I don’t think that anyone actually expects that to happen, though.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
You make a lot of critically important points in this article. The interest in sustainability at the meeting is heartening. My chapter “Access to Luna” in “Return to the Moon” in 2005 said similar things. We need to know what we are actually going to do on the lunar surface before we build a transport system to go there.
What is needed is a total policy of tipping everything NASA does in the direction of re-usability and sustainability, exactly the opposite of the “Old NASA”, which initiated the program to build the “Giant Expendable Lems” that I warned about in 2005.
If a government-sponsored program can use private fuel transport to orbit, and employ re-usable lunar ferries and lunar propellant depots in Low lunar orbit and on the surface, along with early ISRU technology development, it will make it much easier for any following commercial enterprize to take off like the railroad you mention.
Very early robotic tests of ISRU equipment would be justified to speed up the use of local materials once human crews land. It will take multiple cycles of build and test before we get reliably working extraction and purification equipment.
I agree with Spudis that the “flexible path” should focus on buildng the transport infrastructure which will let us go everywhere we want. I do think that Luna will be more important this century for mining and commerce, and Mars, assuming we reach it with humans, will be more important for settlement. Once we can easily and cheaply move thousands of tons of material around the solar system, Luna can be easily colonized.
Remember that the lunar rocks and crust are still extremely dry; it is just regolith at the poles that has the volatiles. On Mars, there are demonstrably millions of cubic miles of water and other volatiles at many locations.
As far as public support, if you want to inspire, you have to do something inspiring. Almost nothing we have done since Apollo fits that description, even though Apollo is the last thing we want to emulate.